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ayanaftw · Apr 18, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

all three fotm have rangers. and y? b/c of the spirits
necro spike
iway(+the traps)
rspike(+the dmg)

and u really cant hold halls consistantly now unless u have a spirit spammer.
once again its that transparent essence that the ranger poops out every 20 secs.

conclusion: spirits are overpowering.

Huntmaster · Apr 18, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

OMG ALL THREE BUILDS HAVE NECROS LOLOLO NECROS ARE OVERPOWERED NERF NECROS LOLOLO!!!!!!!1!1!!

But really, have you noticed that? Maybe monks are overpowered because they can keep people alive!

Ever kill a teams spirit spammer? They're pretty useless. Try it sometime.

General Typhus · Apr 18, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

TAKE RANGERS OUT OF THE GAME!!!!

NERF NECROS!!!

REMOVE SPIRITS!!!

But really, what are you getting at?

LightningHell · Apr 18, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Well, you gotta nerf Monks cuz they keep people alive, Mezzes cuz they annoy you to hell, Ether Prodigy cuz that's the only thing people use Elementalists for, Necros because every team you freaking see has one, Ranger because they have these 00b3r 1337 skills that no other profession has (before the Rit), the Warrior because they look ugly...

Rustjive · Apr 18, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

The only thing I find really scary about rangers is Savage shot. Such a spammable interrupt. ~_~

icemonkey · Apr 18, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

rangers are not overpowering. If you think they are overpowering now, wait until duplicate skill showup with factions...

SaintGreg · Apr 18, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Quote:

spirits are overpowering

Spirits are at best just a distraction. You can't effectively use them for their intended purpose very well. Which works in HoH spirit spamming because it often takes a warrior out of the game just to kill spirits that you are dropping.

distracting > savage. 20 second extra disable is hax. I'm glad/sad they didnt make a duplicate of distracting shot.

Extreme Days · Apr 18, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16

ive held halls without a spirit spammer before. with only 6 types of characters and 8 party slots... you get the picture. im surprised you didnt bash the bunny thumper

LightningHell · Apr 18, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

NERF THE E/MO RUNNER! NERF THE SURGE MESMERS TO OBLIVION! NERF 55-ERS! NERF CASTER-SHUTDOWN! NERF EVISCERATE! REMOVE MONKS FROM THE GAME!

I'll just shut up now.

Rustjive · Apr 18, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by SaintGreg

distracting > savage. 20 second extra disable is hax. I'm glad/sad they didnt make a duplicate of distracting shot.

Except for the things that don't get disabled. Since we're talking about HA, I can think of one such thing...

ames · Apr 18, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by Rustjive

Except for the things that don't get disabled. Since we're talking about HA, I can think of one such thing...

i know! i know! claim resource!! plz send ecto prize to IGN: I S***** I

Zui · Apr 18, 2006, 06:20 AM // 06:20

Yea! Nerf rangers, they're too useful!

Nerf necros too, they're as bad as rangers!

Monks are on like every team too, they have this healing crap and it's WAY overpowered!

Mesmers are just annoying, let's nerf them so they can only do /dance emote and not use any skills.

Warriors have adrenaline, that's wayy ovepowered so lets nerf em while we're at it!

Eles are overpowered too, they have like lotsa energy and ether prodigy and like obsidian flame and stuff! Waaaaaaayyyyy too overpowered!

Hmm, and guild lords are cheap! Their amulet needs nerfed! And their health regen! And their total health! Let's nerf ghostly heroes too, they have "monster only" spells, so unfair!

Ok, maybe overdid it alittle, but honestly rangers aren't overpowered, they're just very useful when played properly when they fit in a build, the same as every single other charactar type is very useful when played properly as it fits in whatever build.

I think we need to buff mending though. It needs to be - a gazzillion damage, unable to be stripped by anything, and +6000000000000 health regen so degen can't kill you, but only on warriors! O ya, and make it so other people can't kill you in PvP, that's WAY overpowered.

mathijn · Apr 18, 2006, 06:28 AM // 06:28

1337 arrow:
you shoot 1 arrow, if it hits(what allways happens)
you deal +1337 and your target is dazed, on fire, special agony and suffers a massive degen of -60 pips.

energy cost: 5
Recharge time 0.5 seconds

that's overpowered

blocparty · Apr 18, 2006, 06:39 AM // 06:39

^^ dont forget the unconditional 10 second knockdown

ok here goes... somewhat of a double entendre

NERF THE GOP FTW?

Murk · Apr 18, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathijn

1337 arrow:
you shoot 1 arrow, if it hits(what allways happens)
you deal +1337 and your target is dazed, on fire, special agony and suffers a massive degen of -60 pips.

energy cost: 5
Recharge time 0.5 seconds

that's overpowered

Noo it's not,

Patrograd · Apr 18, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28

Hmm. Spirits, especially fertile season are very helpful in holding altars. As HoH is an altar map, it makes sense to bring someone with the ability to drop this spirit if you have the intention of winning and holding HoH. As it has such a short life but long recharge, the skill Oath shot is really needed to keep it up permanently. As oath shot requires 7 expertise (according to GW freaks) to ensure the hit, this pretty much demands a ranger primary.

Frozen soil is another must have HA ranger skill.

The other thing a ranger brings you is interrupts, especially savage shot. You should be looking to chain interrupt the enemy ghostly as he attempts claim resource, and so you need quite a few "skill interrupt" skills (as opposed to "spell interrupt" skills which dont work on Claim resource).

So yes, people bring rangers' skills if not actual rangers because the maps and scenarios in HA demand that you do. Not doing so will make your job much harder.

What you need to do is learn how to counter these.

JR · Apr 18, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Nerf my face.

Using arena of HA as a basis for determining the balance of classes is a fairly sketch affair. Both are prone to domination by gimmicky style builds due to the relatively low level of competition and nature of the maps. Personally I think whilst the game also does need to be balanced for these two game types, it is more a problem with the mechanics specifically involved in them.